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LA QUESTION

Why do we stay inside echo chambers?

Les causes profondes, des plus profondes aux moins profondes. Les désaccords restent sur la carte.

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La carte de cette salle
Les causes profondes sont à gauche, encadrées en vert. Touchez une affirmation pour voir sa chaîne.
un lien validé par la salle contesté : la salle n’a pas pu trancher
Regulation asks for transparency reports nobody can verify → People choose the sources that already agree with themThere is no reviewer who speaks the language of half the reports → Automated removal is cheaper than being rightRanking optimises for time spent, not for being informed → Researchers ask for data and legal says noRanking optimises for time spent, not for being informed → A moderator sees the worst of it for the wage of a call centreWe built for a scale nobody had governed before → Nobody agrees on who should decide what is trueEvery fix ships to the users who complain loudest → We cannot publish what we remove without teaching people to evade itEvery fix ships to the users who complain loudest → The people affected worst are in markets we do not staffEvery fix ships to the users who complain loudest → Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of itThe metric was chosen because it was easy to log → Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informedThe rules are written in one country and applied in forty languages → There is no reviewer who speaks the language of half the reportsResearchers ask for data and legal says no → Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outsideResearchers ask for data and legal says no → The rules are written in one country and applied in forty languagesThe rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve seconds → Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outsideThe rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve seconds → Automated removal is cheaper than being rightPeople choose the sources that already agree with them → Every fix ships to the users who complain loudestA moderator sees the worst of it for the wage of a call centre → The rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve secondsNobody agrees on who should decide what is true → Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of itNobody outside can reproduce a single claim we make → Nobody agrees on who should decide what is trueAd money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it → We built for a scale nobody had governed beforeRegulation asks for transparency reports nobody can verifyRegulation asks fortransparency reports nobod…The metric was chosen because it was easy to logThe metric was chosenbecause it was easy to logNobody outside can reproduce a single claim we makeNobody outside canreproduce a single claim w…Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informedRanking optimises for timespent, not for being…People choose the sources that already agree with themPeople choose the sourcesthat already agree with…A moderator sees the worst of it for the wage of a call centreA moderator sees the worst…familleFAMILLE 3Researchers ask for data and legal says noResearchers ask for dataand legal says noEvery fix ships to the users who complain loudestEvery fix ships to theusers who complain loudestThe rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve secondsThe rules are forty pages…familleFAMILLE 2The rules are written in one country and applied in forty languagesThe rules are written in…familleFAMILLE 2The people affected worst are in markets we do not staffThe people affected worstare in markets we do not…We cannot publish what we remove without teaching people to evade itWe cannot publish what we…familleFAMILLE 1Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of itAd money rewards volume ofattention, not quality of…fait partie d’une boucle de rétroaction⟳Nobody agrees on who should decide what is trueNobody agrees on who shoulddecide what is truefait partie d’une boucle de rétroaction⟳We built for a scale nobody had governed beforeWe built for a scale nobodyhad governed beforefait partie d’une boucle de rétroaction⟳Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outsideRecommendation systems arenot inspectable from…There is no reviewer who speaks the language of half the reportsThere is no reviewer whospeaks the language of hal…Automated removal is cheaper than being rightAutomated removal ischeaper than being right
Chaque affirmation de cette carte, avec sa propre adresse (18)
The rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve seconds
Automated removal is cheaper than being right
Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed
Researchers ask for data and legal says no
The metric was chosen because it was easy to log
There is no reviewer who speaks the language of half the reports
The rules are written in one country and applied in forty languages
A moderator sees the worst of it for the wage of a call centre
Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outside
Nobody outside can reproduce a single claim we make
Nobody agrees on who should decide what is true
Regulation asks for transparency reports nobody can verify
People choose the sources that already agree with them
Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it
We built for a scale nobody had governed before
Every fix ships to the users who complain loudest
The people affected worst are in markets we do not staff
We cannot publish what we remove without teaching people to evade it
Chaque page indique ce que la salle a validé autour de l’affirmation, avec les décomptes, et peut être citée, intégrée ou lue en JSON.
La carte fusionnée
Fusionnée à partir de 3 salles (toutes des démonstrations).
pourquoi
Chaque salle sur cette question a construit sa propre carte ; elles sont fusionnées en une seule. La même affirmation soulevée dans deux salles est un seul élément, et chaque lien indique combien de salles l’ont trouvé. Là où des salles ont trouvé des choses opposées, chaque constat tient, avec le nombre de salles qui ont jugé le lien et l’ont trouvé.
Les salles ont validé ensemble des liens (51), mais aucun lien n’a été trouvé par plus d’une source indépendante (les salles qui partagent une source, ou votent comme une seule, comptent une fois) : il n’y a donc pas encore de carte commune. La carte de chaque salle reste séparée : Why do we stay inside echo chambers? (22), Why do people like filter bubbles? (21), Why do people prefer their own information bubble? (8). Une carte commune apparaît quand deux salles valident le même lien ; c’est une fiche qui circule entre les salles pendant la phase Proposition qui le rend possible.
LES SALLES DE CETTE CARTE
Why do we stay inside echo chambers?settled after another room's map was already readable · 08 Sep 22:59
⚠ demo · up to 5 cards word for word the same as in 2 other rooms here
compte ses verdicts pèsent sur cette carte — steward trusted by this instance
Why do people like filter bubbles?settled while no map on this question could be read · 08 Sep 22:59
demo · stands 1 vouch from its source, trusted steward _9c10b0b91f
⚠ demo · up to 7 cards word for word the same as in 2 other rooms here
compte ses verdicts pèsent sur cette carte — vouched for by the steward of “Why do people prefer their own information bubble?”
Why do people prefer their own information bubble?settled after another room's map was already readable · 08 Sep 22:59
⚠ demo · up to 7 cards word for word the same as in 2 other rooms here
compte ses verdicts pèsent sur cette carte — steward trusted by this instance
Une salle compte dès que quelqu’un de responsable se porte garant d’elle. ● tranché avant qu’aucune carte soit publique ; ○ après.
SOULEVÉES DANS PLUS D’UNE SALLE · 14
People choose the sources that already agree with them3 sallessur la carte
Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed3 sallessur la carte
Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it3 sallessur la carte
The people most online are the least representative2 salleshors de la carte : aucun lien vers elle n’a été validé
The rules are written for one country and applied to forty2 salleshors de la carte : aucun lien vers elle n’a été validé
Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outside2 sallessur la carte
Arguments online end in blocking, not in agreement2 sallessur la carte
Appeals go to the same system that made the decision2 salleshors de la carte : aucun lien vers elle n’a été validé
There is no shared set of facts to argue from any more2 sallessur la carte
Nobody agrees on who should decide what is true2 sallessur la carte
Local newspapers closed and nothing replaced them2 sallessur la carte
Schools do not teach how to read a source2 sallessur la carte
CE QUE LES SALLES FERAIENT
Chaque salle a jugé ses propres actions par rapport à ses propres causes profondes, aux trois quarts de ses propres votes. Rien ici n’est un vote entre salles : on compte, cause par cause, ce que chaque salle a trouvé. Une salle apparaît dès que sa phase Actions est close. Chaque numéro sur la carte marque une cause profonde que cette action réduit.
Réduite dans 1 salles sur 2:
Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed
① Fund local reporting from a levy on ad revenue · Why do people like filter bubbles?
Réduite dans 1 salle sur 1:
Children learn what a source is from their parents' feed
② Teach source-reading in every year, not one · Why do people prefer their own information bubble?
Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outside
① Fund local reporting from a levy on ad revenue · Why do people like filter bubbles?
③ Teach source-checking in the last two years of school · Why do people like filter bubbles?
The metric was chosen because it was easy to log
④ Independent audit access under a legal safe harbour · Why do we stay inside echo chambers?
Aucune salle n’a trouvé d’action qui réduise celles-ci :
  • A report takes three days and the post has already done its work · jugée dans 1 salle
  • Being wrong in front of people you know is worse than being wrong · jugée dans 1 salle
  • Regulation asks for transparency reports nobody can verify · jugée dans 1 salle
  • Researchers ask for data and legal says no · jugée dans 1 salle
  • The problem is not what people believe but that believing has become an identity · jugée dans 1 salle
TROUVÉ PAR 1 SALLE · 51
People no longer meet anyone who disagrees with them in person→Disagreeing in public costs you socially, so most people stop
→Local newspapers closed and nothing replaced them
→Everyone assumes the other side is more extreme than it is
Children learn what a source is from their parents' feed→A report takes three days and the post has already done its work
→The problem is not the algorithm, it is that everyone is watching
Nobody outside the company can check whether moderation is even applie→Distrust of one institution spreads to all of them
→Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed
Regulation asks for transparency reports nobody can verify→People choose the sources that already agree with them
→The people affected worst are in markets we do not staff
Correcting someone publicly makes them dig in harder→Local newspapers closed and nothing replaced them
Media literacy is taught once, by whoever has a free period→Schools do not teach how to read a source
Nobody has time to be a citizen after two jobs→People are exhausted and take the version that costs least to hold
Nobody outside can reproduce a single claim we make→Nobody agrees on who should decide what is true
Subscription walls put good reporting behind a price and left the rest→Everyone assumes the other side is more extreme than it is
The metric was chosen because it was easy to log→Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed
A report takes three days and the post has already done its work→Removing a post makes it famous
Removing a post makes it famous→Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed
Ranking optimises for time spent, not for being informed→A moderator sees the worst of it for the wage of a call centre
→Everyone assumes the other side is more extreme than it is
→People choose the sources that already agree with them
→Researchers ask for data and legal says no
→The rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve seconds
People choose the sources that already agree with them→Every fix ships to the users who complain loudest
→The same event is reported as two different events
→We cannot publish what we remove without teaching people to evade it
Researchers ask for data and legal says no→The rules are written in one country and applied in forty languages
→Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outside
A moderator sees the worst of it for the wage of a call centre→The rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve seconds
Everyone assumes the other side is more extreme than it is→People I know now live in two different versions of the same country
Every fix ships to the users who complain loudest→The people affected worst are in markets we do not staff
→We cannot publish what we remove without teaching people to evade it
→Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it
The rules are forty pages and the decision takes twelve seconds→Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outside
→Automated removal is cheaper than being right
The rules are written in one country and applied in forty languages→There is no reviewer who speaks the language of half the reports
The same event is reported as two different events→People I know now live in two different versions of the same country
Recommendation systems are not inspectable from outside→A feed has no edges, so you cannot tell what you are not seeing
→The problem is not what people believe but that believing has become a
There is no reviewer who speaks the language of half the reports→Automated removal is cheaper than being right
The problem is not what people believe but that believing has become a→Being wrong in front of people you know is worse than being wrong
→Outrage travels further than accuracy, so it is what gets made
→Arguments online end in blocking, not in agreement
Being wrong in front of people you know is worse than being wrong→Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it
Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it→We built for a scale nobody had governed before
→A newsroom now costs more than the advertising it can sell
Nobody agrees on who should decide what is true→Ad money rewards volume of attention, not quality of it
We built for a scale nobody had governed before→Nobody agrees on who should decide what is true
Outrage travels further than accuracy, so it is what gets made→There is no shared set of facts to argue from any more
→Arguments online end in blocking, not in agreement
A newsroom now costs more than the advertising it can sell→Outrage travels further than accuracy, so it is what gets made
There is no shared set of facts to argue from any more→A newsroom now costs more than the advertising it can sell