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Why do affected communities rarely see the link between local pollution and their own health?

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They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us. → ¿influye en? → I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.

I have seen treaties disregarded.

I have seen the internal cost-benefit memos where emission thresholds are explicitly tied to what the plant can afford rather than health thresholds.

I don't know how the water standard affects health, just that it's not explained to us. I also don't know how the 'safe' number was chosen, only that it wasn't meant to protect people nearby.

The author mentions that the water standard is being weakened without explanation of health links, which the author cannot see, so they cannot infer any influence of A on B.

The author of B is expressing concern about the lack of health link explanation for the water standard reduction, which is influenced by A as the weakening of the standard is not accompanied by health impact studies.

I've seen the 2am discharge, the weekend dumping, the stuff that never shows up in a daytime audit. I don't know if the rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, or if the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant. I can only report what I know.

I have watched the creek change color and smell on specific days, and nobody from the plant or the state ever came to tell me why. That is what I know at first hand. But the first claim there is about treaty rights and health explanations, and the second is about a lawmaker knowing his number was built around the plant's budget. One does not cause the other as far as I can see — I have no way to say the treaty-rights complaint is what made that lawmaker write his number that way.

moderador I drive to my district three nights a week and I see the communities counting on those water standards. But the weakening of those standards and the safe number I am writing are two different things I see happening side by side, not one causing the other.

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I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (5)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (11)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (12)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (15)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (12)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (8)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (10)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (11)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (9)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (10)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (12)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	⚑ disputado	en discusión (7)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (10)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (11)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	abierto	en discusión (11)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	abierto	en discusión (15)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	abierto	en discusión (13)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (8)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (8)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (8)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	abierto	en discusión (12)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (12)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	abierto	en discusión (10)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (15)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	abierto	en discusión (8)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (6)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (9)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (8)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (9)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en foco ↑ · cerrar ✕
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	abierto	en discusión (4)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	abierto	en discusión (10)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	abierto	en discusión (8)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (7)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (10)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	abierto	en discusión (13)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	abierto	en discusión (12)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (8)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (14)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (9)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (7)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	abierto	en discusión (8)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (8)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	abierto	en discusión (13)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (8)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (9)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	abierto	en discusión (8)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (7)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (10)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (6)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (10)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (10)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (15)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (10)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	abierto	en discusión (6)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	abierto	en discusión (11)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	abierto	en discusión (11)
Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	abierto	en discusión (11)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	abierto	en discusión (7)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	abierto	en discusión (10)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (7)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (6)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	abierto	en discusión (9)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (8)
The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (6)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	abierto	en discusión (12)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (11)
Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	abierto	en discusión (7)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	abierto	en discusión (13)
Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	abierto	en discusión (6)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	abierto	en discusión (11)
The rollback language I draft removes the legal requirement to study health impacts, so the link is never formally made.	→	Communities lack political representation to demand health impact studies, so the pollution-health link is never formally investigated.	abierto	en discusión (7)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	abierto	en discusión (9)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	abierto	en discusión (12)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	abierto	en discusión (8)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	abierto	en discusión (7)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	Nobody ever shows us the permit or tells us what's in the water, so we can't connect it to our sickness.	abierto	en discusión (11)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	✓ sí	en discusión (11)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	The enforcement numbers are based on arbitrary standards set by people far away from the communities I work with.	✓ sí	en discusión (11)
We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	→	They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	✓ sí	en discusión (9)
Because the people who write the rules never come back to tell you how the rules broke your creek—and how it’s making you sick.	→	Union rep for plant workers says a shutdown for non‑compliance costs jobs immediately, while a weak rule endangers his members' health for over twenty years and he must choose which fight to pursue.	✗ no	en discusión (9)
I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	→	We frame health risks as industry-wide trends, not site-specific hazards, in our public reporting.	✗ no	en discusión (6)
I know the 'safe' number I'm writing into law was never meant to protect the people living near the plant.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	✗ no	en discusión (8)
They keep weakening the water standard my treaty rights depend on, and never explain the health link to us.	→	I cannot identify a cause that is not already listed because the wall already contains fifteen distinct reasons. Therefore, I answer with the word nothing.	✗ no	en discusión (6)