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THE QUESTION

Why do school leavers not find work here?

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The apprenticeship application closes before the exam results → There are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leaversYoung people leave and do not come back → Nobody teaches how to be interviewedThe jobs here do not need what school taught → Young people leave and do not come backNobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → The jobs here do not need what school taughtThe college is in the next town and the last bus is at six → The bus to the college costs four pounds a dayThe bus to the college costs four pounds a day → A part-time job pays now and a course pays in four yearsA teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after → We have no idea where last year's leavers wentAttendance is the problem behind most of the others → The college is in the next town and the last bus is at sixAttendance is the problem behind most of the others → A placement week is arranged by whoever knows someoneThe technical route is described to parents as the fallback → Young people leave and do not come backA placement week is arranged by whoever knows someone → We have no idea where last year's leavers wentA part-time job pays now and a course pays in four years → A teacher is measured on results, not on what happens afterThere are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final yearCareers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroomThe apprenticeship application closes before the exam resultsThe apprenticeshipapplication closes before…Attendance is the problem behind most of the othersAttendance is the problemclusterCLUSTER 4The technical route is described to parents as the fallbackThe technical route isdescribed to parents as th…A placement week is arranged by whoever knows someoneA placement week isarranged by whoever knows…The college is in the next town and the last bus is at sixThe college is in the nextclusterCLUSTER 2There are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leaversThere are elevenapprenticeships in this…The bus to the college costs four pounds a dayThe bus to the collegeclusterCLUSTER 2Careers advice is one afternoon in the final yearCareers advice is oneafternoon in the final yearA part-time job pays now and a course pays in four yearsA part-time job pays nowand a course pays in four…Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroomNobody in a position tohire ever visits a…A teacher is measured on results, not on what happens afterA teacher is measured onresults, not on what…The jobs here do not need what school taughtThe jobs here do not needwhat school taughtWe have no idea where last year's leavers wentWe have no idea where lastclusterCLUSTER 1Young people leave and do not come backYoung people leave and donot come backNobody teaches how to be interviewedNobody teaches how to beinterviewed
How this dialogue measures
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The indicators the method's own practitioners use to judge a dialogue's quality (Laouris & Metcalf 2024, Table 7), computed from this record so it can be compared with the hundreds of face-to-face and virtual dialogues behind their baselines. Spreadthink is the share of ideas that got at least one vote: 100% means everyone voted only for their own, and it usually settles to 25–45% once meaning has been shared. Situational complexity falls as more ideas are structured.
ideas (N)
36 usual: 50–100
with 1+ vote / 2+ votes
24 / 19
spreadthink
61.3% usual: 25–55
demosensus
38.7%
clusters (dimensions)
5
cards in a cluster
27.8%
structured / levels / links
20 / 7 / 18
situational complexity
0.84
minds moved
—
cards hidden by the steward
0
pairs contested
0
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Every group built its own map from its own wall; these are folded into one. The same claim raised in two groups is one item, and each connection shows how many groups found it. Where groups found opposite things, that is published as a conflict.
Every room’s map folded into one. Dark, thick lines were certified by two or more rooms; grey dashed by one; dotted grey only by rooms that do not count; dashed red is a dispute. A green card with ×N is a claim N rooms raised on their own; the caption says so. Hover a link or a claim for the rooms behind it. — 2 links certified by two or more rooms · 0 contested · 65 links in all.
The apprenticeship application closes before the exam results → There are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers counted: Why do school leavers not fiAttendance is the problem behind most of the others → The college is in the next town and the last bus is at six counted: Why do school leavers not fiAttendance is the problem behind most of the others → A placement week is arranged by whoever knows someone counted: Why do school leavers not fiThe bus to the college costs four pounds a day → A part-time job pays now and a course pays in four years counted: Why do school leavers not fiCareers advice is one afternoon in the final year → The careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one counted: Why is there no work here foCareers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody explained what to wear or when to arrive counted: Why is there no work here foCareers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom counted: Why do school leavers not fi, Why do young people leave toCareers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody told me what any of these jobs pay counted: Why is there no work here foThe college is in the next town and the last bus is at six → The bus to the college costs four pounds a day counted: Why do school leavers not fiEveryone I know who did well left → I would have stayed for a job that went somewhere counted: Why is there no work here foEveryone I know who did well left → Staying feels like giving up on something counted: Why is there no work here foEveryone I know who did well left → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom counted: Why is there no work here foI would have stayed for a job that went somewhere → Young people leave and do not come back counted: Why is there no work here foThe last three we trained left within a year → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year counted: Why do young people leave toThe last three we trained left within a year → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing counted: Why do young people leave toMy teachers were proud of me for going and sad for the town → Staying feels like giving up on something counted: Why is there no work here foMy teachers were proud of me for going and sad for the town → The jobs here do not need what school taught counted: Why is there no work here foOne bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor → Recruiting takes the owner's evenings counted: Why do young people leave toOne bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing counted: Why do young people leave toThe only people who told me to stay had already left and come back → The careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one counted: Why is there no work here foA part-time job pays now and a course pays in four years → A teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after counted: Why do school leavers not fiA placement week is arranged by whoever knows someone → We have no idea where last year's leavers went counted: Why do school leavers not fiRecruiting takes the owner's evenings → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing counted: Why do young people leave toRecruiting takes the owner's evenings → There is no single person in the school to ring counted: Why do young people leave toThe school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building → One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor counted: Why do young people leave toThe school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building → The jobs here do not need what school taught counted: Why do young people leave toThe school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building → There is no single person in the school to ring counted: Why do young people leave toStaying feels like giving up on something → Young people leave and do not come back counted: Why is there no work here foThe technical route is described to parents as the fallback → Young people leave and do not come back counted: Why do school leavers not fiThere are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year counted: Why do school leavers not fiWe cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year counted: Why do young people leave toWe cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → Recruiting takes the owner's evenings counted: Why do young people leave toWe cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → The jobs here do not need what school taught counted: Why do young people leave toWe cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom counted: Why do young people leave toWe would take four a year if someone organised it → The council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make counted: Why do young people leave toThe application asked for experience I could not have had → I did not apply because I assumed I would not get it counted: Why is there no work here foThe application asked for experience I could not have had → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom counted: Why is there no work here foThe careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one → The only people who told me to stay had already left and come back counted: Why is there no work here foThe council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make → Nobody has ever asked us what we would need to take a school leaver counted: Why do young people leave toA driving licence is the real entry requirement and nobody says so → We hire on attitude and cannot test for it counted: Why do young people leave toA driving licence is the real entry requirement and nobody says so → Young people leave and do not come back counted: Why do young people leave toI got one week's placement in a place nobody chose for me → The only people who told me to stay had already left and come back counted: Why is there no work here foI did not know that job existed until I met someone doing it → Nobody told me what any of these jobs pay counted: Why is there no work here foThe jobs here do not need what school taught → One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor counted: Why do young people leave toThe jobs here do not need what school taught → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing counted: Why do young people leave toThe jobs here do not need what school taught → Without a car you cannot take most of these jobs counted: Why is there no work here foThe jobs here do not need what school taught → Young people leave and do not come back counted: Why do school leavers not fiNobody has ever asked us what we would need to take a school leaver → There is no employer group here that anyone convenes counted: Why do young people leave toNobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor counted: Why do young people leave toNobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → Half the applicants do not turn up to the interview counted: Why do young people leave toNobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → The jobs here do not need what school taught counted: Why do school leavers not fi, Why is there no work here fo, Why do young people leave toNobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → There is no single person in the school to ring counted: Why do young people leave toNobody told me what any of these jobs pay → Taking a low-paid apprenticeship felt like a luxury I could not afford counted: Why is there no work here foA teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after → We have no idea where last year's leavers went counted: Why do school leavers not fiThere is no single person in the school to ring → The jobs here do not need what school taught counted: Why do young people leave toWe asked to visit and never heard back → Young people leave and do not come back counted: Why do young people leave toYoung people leave and do not come back → The council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make counted: Why do young people leave toYoung people leave and do not come back → Nobody teaches how to be interviewed counted: Why do school leavers not fiThe apprenticeship application closes before the exam results raised in: Why do school leavers not fiThe apprenticeshiphow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMAttendance is the problem behind most of the others raised in: Why do school leavers not fiAttendance is the problemhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMEveryone I know who did well left raised in: Why is there no work here foEveryone I know who didhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe last three we trained left within a year raised in: Why do young people leave toThe last three we trainedhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMMy teachers were proud of me for going and sad for the town raised in: Why is there no work here foMy teachers were proud ofhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building raised in: Why do young people leave toThe school sent us thehow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe technical route is described to parents as the fallback raised in: Why do school leavers not fiThe technical route ishow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMWe would take four a year if someone organised it raised in: Why do young people leave toWe would take four a yearhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe application asked for experience I could not have had raised in: Why is there no work here foThe application asked forhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMA driving licence is the real entry requirement and nobody says so raised in: Why do young people leave toA driving licence is thehow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMI got one week's placement in a place nobody chose for me raised in: Why is there no work here foI got one week's placementhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMI did not know that job existed until I met someone doing it raised in: Why is there no work here foI did not know that jobhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMWe asked to visit and never heard back raised in: Why do young people leave toWe asked to visit and neverhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMWe hire on attitude and cannot test for it raised in: Why do young people leave toWe hire on attitude andhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMI did not apply because I assumed I would not get it raised in: Why is there no work here foI did not apply because Ihow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMStaying feels like giving up on something raised in: Why is there no work here foStaying feels like givinghow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMI would have stayed for a job that went somewhere raised in: Why is there no work here foI would have stayed for ahow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMA placement week is arranged by whoever knows someone raised in: Why do school leavers not fiA placement week ishow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe college is in the next town and the last bus is at six raised in: Why do school leavers not fiThe college is in the nexthow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThere are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers raised in: Why do school leavers not fiThere are elevenhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe bus to the college costs four pounds a day raised in: Why do school leavers not fiThe bus to the collegehow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMRecruiting takes the owner's evenings raised in: Why do young people leave toRecruiting takes thepart of a feedback loop⟳how many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe jobs here do not need what school taught raised in: Why do school leavers not fi, Why is there no work here fo, Why do young people leave toThe jobs here do not needpart of a feedback loop⟳×3how many rooms raised this claim3 ROOMSThere is no single person in the school to ring raised in: Why do young people leave toThere is no single personpart of a feedback loop⟳how many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMWe cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing raised in: Why do young people leave toWe cannot afford the timepart of a feedback loop⟳how many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMOne bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor raised in: Why do young people leave toOne bad placement cost us apart of a feedback loop⟳how many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMNobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom raised in: Why do school leavers not fi, Why is there no work here fo, Why do young people leave toNobody in a position topart of a feedback loop⟳×3how many rooms raised this claim3 ROOMSCareers advice is one afternoon in the final year raised in: Why do school leavers not fi, Why is there no work here fo, Why do young people leave toCareers advice is onepart of a feedback loop⟳×3how many rooms raised this claim3 ROOMSA part-time job pays now and a course pays in four years raised in: Why do school leavers not fiA part-time job pays nowhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMWithout a car you cannot take most of these jobs raised in: Why is there no work here foWithout a car you cannothow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMYoung people leave and do not come back raised in: Why do school leavers not fi, Why is there no work here fo, Why do young people leave toYoung people leave and do×3how many rooms raised this claim3 ROOMSThe only people who told me to stay had already left and come back raised in: Why is there no work here foThe only people who told mepart of a feedback loop⟳how many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one raised in: Why is there no work here foThe careers website is apart of a feedback loop⟳how many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMNobody told me what any of these jobs pay raised in: Why is there no work here foNobody told me what any ofhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMHalf the applicants do not turn up to the interview raised in: Why do young people leave toHalf the applicants do nothow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMNobody explained what to wear or when to arrive raised in: Why is there no work here foNobody explained what tohow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMA teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after raised in: Why do school leavers not fiA teacher is measured onhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMNobody teaches how to be interviewed raised in: Why do school leavers not fiNobody teaches how to behow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThe council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make raised in: Why do young people leave toThe council asks us forhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMTaking a low-paid apprenticeship felt like a luxury I could not afford raised in: Why is there no work here foTaking a low-paidhow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMNobody has ever asked us what we would need to take a school leaver raised in: Why do young people leave toNobody has ever asked ushow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMWe have no idea where last year's leavers went raised in: Why do school leavers not fiWe have no idea where lasthow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOMThere is no employer group here that anyone convenes raised in: Why do young people leave toThere is no employer grouphow many rooms raised this claim1 ROOM
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Dotted grey: a link certified only by rooms that do not count — shown, never a verdict. Hover a link for which rooms certified it and which said no; hover a claim for where it was raised and any evidence attached.
As a list — 65 links, graded by how many rooms found each; and 4 claims raised in more than one room
RAISED IN MORE THAN ONE ROOM
◆ Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom 3 rooms
◆ Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year 3 rooms
◆ The jobs here do not need what school taught 3 rooms
◆ Young people leave and do not come back 3 rooms
EVERY LINK · solid and thicker: found by more rooms · dashed grey: one room
Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → The jobs here do not need what school taught 3 rooms
Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom 2 rooms
A driving licence is the real entry requirement and nobody says so → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
A driving licence is the real entry requirement and nobody says so → We hire on attitude and cannot test for it 1 room
A part-time job pays now and a course pays in four years → A teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after 1 room
A placement week is arranged by whoever knows someone → We have no idea where last year's leavers went 1 room
A teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after → We have no idea where last year's leavers went 1 room
Attendance is the problem behind most of the others → A placement week is arranged by whoever knows someone 1 room
Attendance is the problem behind most of the others → The college is in the next town and the last bus is at six 1 room
Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year → The careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one 1 room
Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody explained what to wear or when to arrive 1 room
Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody teaches how to be interviewed 1 room
Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year → Nobody told me what any of these jobs pay 1 room
Everyone I know who did well left → Staying feels like giving up on something 1 room
Everyone I know who did well left → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom 1 room
Everyone I know who did well left → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
Everyone I know who did well left → I would have stayed for a job that went somewhere 1 room
I did not know that job existed until I met someone doing it → Nobody told me what any of these jobs pay 1 room
I got one week's placement in a place nobody chose for me → The only people who told me to stay had already left and come back 1 room
I would have stayed for a job that went somewhere → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
My teachers were proud of me for going and sad for the town → The jobs here do not need what school taught 1 room
My teachers were proud of me for going and sad for the town → Staying feels like giving up on something 1 room
Nobody has ever asked us what we would need to take a school leaver → There is no employer group here that anyone convenes 1 room
Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor 1 room
Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → There is no single person in the school to ring 1 room
Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom → Half the applicants do not turn up to the interview 1 room
Nobody told me what any of these jobs pay → Taking a low-paid apprenticeship felt like a luxury I could not afford 1 room
One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing 1 room
One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor → Recruiting takes the owner's evenings 1 room
Recruiting takes the owner's evenings → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing 1 room
Recruiting takes the owner's evenings → There is no single person in the school to ring 1 room
Staying feels like giving up on something → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
The application asked for experience I could not have had → Without a car you cannot take most of these jobs 1 room
The application asked for experience I could not have had → I did not apply because I assumed I would not get it 1 room
The application asked for experience I could not have had → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom 1 room
The apprenticeship application closes before the exam results → The jobs here do not need what school taught 1 room
The apprenticeship application closes before the exam results → There are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers 1 room
The bus to the college costs four pounds a day → A teacher is measured on results, not on what happens after 1 room
The bus to the college costs four pounds a day → A part-time job pays now and a course pays in four years 1 room
The careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one → The only people who told me to stay had already left and come back 1 room
The college is in the next town and the last bus is at six → The bus to the college costs four pounds a day 1 room
The council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make → Nobody has ever asked us what we would need to take a school leaver 1 room
The jobs here do not need what school taught → Without a car you cannot take most of these jobs 1 room
The jobs here do not need what school taught → One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor 1 room
The jobs here do not need what school taught → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing 1 room
The jobs here do not need what school taught → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
The last three we trained left within a year → We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing 1 room
The last three we trained left within a year → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year 1 room
The only people who told me to stay had already left and come back → The careers website is a list of jobs, not of how to get one 1 room
The school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building → One bad placement cost us a week of a supervisor 1 room
The school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building → The jobs here do not need what school taught 1 room
The school sent us the pupils they wanted out of the building → There is no single person in the school to ring 1 room
The technical route is described to parents as the fallback → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
There are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
There are eleven apprenticeships in this town and four hundred leavers → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year 1 room
There is no single person in the school to ring → The jobs here do not need what school taught 1 room
We asked to visit and never heard back → Nobody has ever asked us what we would need to take a school leaver 1 room
We asked to visit and never heard back → Young people leave and do not come back 1 room
We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom 1 room
We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → Recruiting takes the owner's evenings 1 room
We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → The jobs here do not need what school taught 1 room
We cannot afford the time it takes to train someone from nothing → Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year 1 room
We would take four a year if someone organised it → The council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make 1 room
Young people leave and do not come back → Nobody teaches how to be interviewed 1 room
Young people leave and do not come back → The council asks us for skills forecasts we cannot make 1 room
Connections several groups found (2 of 65)
Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom→The jobs here do not need what school taught3 groups
Careers advice is one afternoon in the final year→Nobody in a position to hire ever visits a classroom2 groups
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